No Hormones: Boston Marathon to allow men to compete as female on the basis of feelings alone

Boston bound- Stevie Romer (Image Credit: Marathon

The Boston Marathon- where officials once tried to drag Kathrine Switzer off the field by brute force– has announced that any man can now compete as a female without restriction. There is no requirement for any social or medical “gender” change, simply a declaration that one “feels like” a woman, at least on the day of the race.
ABC News reports at least five men who identify as transgender have qualified and are set to race:

“In 1967, a Boston Marathon official nearly dragged a woman off the course after she managed to enter the men’s-only race. Five decades later, race officials aren’t as concerned about gender boundaries: They’re now publicly acknowledging that transgender runners can compete using the gender they identify with.

“We take people at their word. We register people as they specify themselves to be,” said Tom Grilk, chief of the Boston Athletic Association, the group behind the race. “Members of the LGBT community have had a lot to deal with over the years, and we’d rather not add to that burden.”

At least five openly transgender women are signed up to run the storied 26.2-mile race through Boston and its suburbs April 16.”

Some of the men have had hormones and surgery and some have not, ABC News reports:

“Stevie Romer, a transgender woman from Woodstock, Illinois, says she registered for Boston as a woman because that’s what she is. Although she hasn’t done anything to lower her testosterone levels, Romer legally changed her gender, grew her hair out and started living openly as a woman more than a year ago.

“To be able to experience it as me was really, really important,” she said. “I’ve been a runner since as long as I can remember. I love running, but I just happen to be transgender.”

Stevie Romer (credit: Marathon Investigation)

Marathon Investigation’s report – which opines that males racing as women isn’t fair, but should be allowed because male feelings are more important than women’s opportunities in sport- contains a long long PDF authored by Stevie Romer, age 53, which contains his life story, which is a very boring typical autogynephile trajectory. Feel free to check it out.
Amelia Gapin (Women’s Running Cover 2016)

Amelia Gapin, 35, of July 2016 Women’s Running cover fame, will be running as female.
Gapin claimed in the February 2017 issue of the magazine that he underwent penile inversion surgery largely on the basis that the Boston Marathon required it (at the time) for him to compete in the female category. Whoops!

“She has been on hormones for three years, and says she had been back and forth about surgery for a while. She hesitated for many reasons, not the least of which was the apprehension and fear she had of the long and intense post-operation recovery period. She finally decided to undergo the procedure, because “my big goal is to qualify for the Boston Marathon, and I can’t qualify for it as a woman without having surgery,” she says. “I knew the recovery process would be tough, and knowing that I wouldn’t be able to run for some months was holding me back—but it was also starting to increasingly feel as though not having surgery was holding me back from running, so I finally decided to do it.”

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Running Magazine reports that male Ultrarunner Grace Fisher, 37, is expected to run as female:

Grace Fisher (twitter)

Folio Weekly reports that Florida runner Erin Taylor, former Marine Corps Ironman, is very confident he will be racing in the female category next week.
Erin Taylor (Folio Weekly)

NPR reports that Race officials are likely to wave the usual ID checks required of participants in the case of males who would like to run in the female category:

“In the case of Boston, registrants are required to show a government-issued ID to get a bib number. The BAA says, “We do compare the ID with the person’s qualification-associated gender description.”

The organization has not said specifically how it would handle cases when a registrant’s ID differs from the gender they qualified under, but it tells NPR:

“Should such a situation arise, we would make every effort to address it in a manner intended to be fair to all concerned, with a strong emphasis on inclusion.”

“Fair to all concerned”? Since this policy will only benefit male competitors (females racing as male would confer no advantage) we will have to assume the only women’s sports participants the Boston Athletic Association is “concerned” about …are male.

56 thoughts on “No Hormones: Boston Marathon to allow men to compete as female on the basis of feelings alone

  1. So these are going to be the first four “women” to finish? Hopefully it’ll wake people up. (It would be even better if they raced in those dresses Stevie is rocking, but we probably won’t be that lucky.)

    1. I found qualifying times for 2 of them (Romer and Taylor), and they are barely squeaking in. They are about 1h 20m slower than the elite women. These two probably won’t break the top 600 female finishers even with an incredible race.
      Gapin ran Chicago in 3:32. Might have a chance to crack the 500s for females overall.
      Fisher is faster than the others. Looks like he ran Boston last year (in the Female division) in about 3:10. So he will probably place around the 260s again.
      They should all 4 be running in the men’s division though.

      1. They’re still taking spots of women who would otherwise barely squeak in. They wouldn’t make the cut as men.

      2. Kesher, yes, I agree. And based on what I could find about their times, I think they would either not qualify or have a hard time qualifying as men (where they should be).

      3. Thank you Liz for doing this research. It is some small consolation to know they likely won’t win.
        Thank you also for covering this Gallus.

  2. Running is in a really weird spot now in that if you plot two axis across time
    1. women > men in terms of participation
    2. ultra rich > everyone else in terms of participation
    If you plot them, trans are going to be over-represented where those two lines intersect…
    My favorite quote from the Boston Herald:
    “That’s a misconception and a myth,” said Dr. Alex Keuroghlian, director of education and training programs at the Fenway Institute, a health and advocacy center for Boston’s LGBT community. “There’s no physiologic advantage to being assigned male at birth.”
    Thanks for dropping some science there…
    Emphasis on the dropping.

    1. ^ Not saying that trans are women, but drawn to “gendered activity,” now that running mags are now more concerned with “getting to your ideal running weight” than VO2 Max.
      But, on the other hand, that gendered activity is expansive:
      Hold a $200 “Zombie-Viking-Ninja-Dirty Girl” run in the Pacific Northwest and you can be sure an absurd number of trans will be in the field.

    2. It’s insanity. If there’s no physiologic advantage, where are all the TIFs running in the men’s division? Shouldn’t they all drop 30 min from their marathon times as soon as they ID as men?

    1. They want the fantasy of being what they imagine a woman is, it’s all about that. Occupying that fantasy.
      Also usually men who imagine themselves as women imagine themselves as ‘special’ women, ‘better’ or ‘heroic’ women. Similar to men who identify as transabled (want to be disabled or appear that way to others). They see themselves as ‘heroically’ disabled and fantasize about impressing everyone with their wheelchair skills, etc.
      Being in a trans category would not enable the fantasy. They would just have to be themselves.

      1. Precisely. Look at their rejection of gender neutral bathrooms (at least when they’re not replacing the women’s restroom) and the push for self ID and “demedicalization.” If safety or health or fairness truly mattered, the goalposts wouldn’t conveniently move to preserve the underdog image.

  3. I really hope the real women runners thrash them.
    There’s a noisy transwoman in my sport who likes to paint himself as this amazing advocate for women in our sport. He’s recently changed disciplines and was rubbish on his debut.

  4. “Fair to all concerned” would automatically exclude natal males from competing against females. Who are they trying to kid?

  5. If you are a tennis player, imagine having the chance to play in the same tournament as the Williams sisters. Or if you’re a golfer, to play on the same course at the same time as Jordan Spieth. If you love playing basketball, how about playing with LeBron?
    Marathoning is just about the only sport, that I know of anyway, where “mere mortals” can actually compete at the same time as our heroes and heroines of the sport. Never mind that the folks who win are probably showered, awarded, and on the plane on the way home before we reach the halfway point… My own dear father, way back in the day, ran the Chicago Marathon where a men’s world record was set. It’s a memory you keep for a lifetime.
    And all this goes ten times more for Boston, the most fabled, historic and storied marathon, maybe in the world. To “BQ” (Boston qualify) is the Holy Grail for recreational runners. Again, a lifetime achievement. To get in, a runner has to either meet the qualifying time and then enter into a lottery and win, or raise a boat-load of money for charity. The qualifying times for Boston are HARD and FAST, no matter your sex or age. They’re challenging for a reason. The vast majority, even of regular runners, cannot hope to achieve a BQ.
    When I hear of someone in my local running community “BQ’ing,” I know that person just put in close to two years just getting to that point. Anybody who BQ’s was out there doing speedwork on the track, hill repeats, and running more miles than most humans do in a lifetime (and dialing in their nutrition, and getting their body weight down to the lowest reasonable level, and then being incredibly lucky to get to the start-line without breaking down under all that). Then that person had to run a sanctioned marathon in the qualifying time, and then they get to do it all over again once (if!) they get in to Boston.
    Make no mistake, these five individuals have just robbed five women who went through all of that. This might seem like a little thing to most people reading the article, but anybody who knows anything about marathoning knows how incredibly unfair and unjust this is. It feels like there is nothing these people won’t try to take away from women.

  6. LOVE the sparkly pink boots and apron. This is TOTALLY how women dress, especially grown-ass women competing in a sport. They make a mockery of women.

    1. I love how the chicken-legged Alton Brown clone is keeping up the AGP tradition of obsessing over Alice in Wonderland with that dress. Autopedophilia activate.

  7. Reblogged this on ANTHRO FEMINISM and commented:
    We are already seeing where this leads with the Andraya Yearwood debacle. This is outrageous. Have a fucking third category for people who buy into “gender” as opposed to sex. Then have categories for just men and just women – WITH NO MEN ALLOWED, I DON’T CARE HOW MANY FUCKING HORMONES THEY HAVE BEEN TAKING. But I guess that wouldn’t happen because this is all about validating their feelings of being women – otherwise why not compete against men if you aren’t taking hormones? It is not women’s problem that you have an issue with your body, or that you are an autogynephile who prances around in pink sparkly boots or an apron. Christ, those pictures piss me off.

  8. Reblogged this on Nicky's World and commented:
    This is clearly an example of Cheating on a Grand scale. It’s why, what’s the point of having Women’s sports when women’s sports have become a haven for Beta Males who can’t compete and win against Alpha Males. Women’s sports today have become a beta male in a dress sport. I think it’s time that sports start demanding Genetic DNA testing for anyone who claims to be a woman.

  9. This line is perfectly perfect perfection:
    “which opines that males racing as women isn’t fair, but should be allowed because male feelings are more important than women’s opportunities in sport”

  10. This is retaliation against women for having the nerve to demand being included in the Marathon in the first place. The revenge of the patriarchies, the brotherhoods.

  11. Prize money and records do matter.
    According to this website, this is what people win for the Boston Marathon.
    How much prize money do you get for winning the Boston Marathon?
    The fastest overall man and woman each win $150,000. Second place for each category gets $75,000, and third takes home $40,000. The rest of the top 15 win prize money as follows:
    Fourth: $25,000
    Fifth: $15,000
    Sixth: $12,000
    Seventh: $9,000
    Eighth: $7,400
    Ninth: $5,700
    10th: $4,200
    11th: $2,600
    12th: $2,100
    13th: $1,800
    14th: $1,700
    15th: $1,500
    For the masters division (runners 40 and older), the first place man and woman each get $10,000. Each category receives $5,000 for second place, $2,500 for third, $1,500 for fourth, and $1,000 for fifth.
    There are bonus awards available for runners who break world or Boston Marathon records. If a man can beat the world record of 2:02:57, he’ll get an extra $50,000. He has an extra 5 seconds to beat the Boston record of 2:03:02—that would net him $25,000. For women, the world and Boston records are 2:15:25 and 2:19:59, respectively, with the same prizes awarded.
    Men and women masters runners who break the world record in their division win an extra $10,000, and busting the Boston record nets them $7,500. The push-rim wheelchair bonus prizes match those figures.
    Male runners who can’t cut it in men’s running can make an easy $150,000. If he sets a record in the “women’s” division, that is another $50,000.
    Hell, no this must stop now! Women’s sports are being destroyed. If one of these men break a record, no actual female will be able to match it no matter how hard she trains.
    Maybe it’s time to go back to genetic testing for all athletes. Stop this insanity and restore fair play.

    1. It’s always about the money. I thought to myself the other day, where’s that radfem billionaire funding gender critical efforts? Then I thought, wait, is it really radical OR feminist to believe bio sex can’t be changed in humans? That’s just common sense. So where are all the common sense billionaires funding us common sense critics of transgender theory. Where are all our billionaires? /rage

    2. I don’t think they’re in it for the money, at least not now. The people who can actually win prize money at a marathon like Boston are the tip of the top of the extraordinarily steep pyramid that is professional running. Virtually nobody who enters a marathon like Boston has any chance whatsoever of winning or even placing high. You have to be world-class to even think about it, and clearly none of these guys begins to be world-class. I think it’s all about the glory and the validation (maybe it will be about the money in the future, though, I’m not ruling that out).

  12. the tiny boobs males get from HRT look so weird on such broad chests, it is jarring every time I see it, like they are trying to smuggle cotton balls into the race.

  13. With these men it’s all about the con and the money. Thanks for the economic report on the Marathon. They should have a separate trans category— any male to trans who wins gets $5.00 and the he has to pay $4.75 back to a Marathon charity that the top woman winner chooses.

  14. I keep waiting for that emperor’s clothes moment when the majority of people will stand up and say “well, duh, this isn’t right”…and every bloody time they stay in their seats. Clearly, those seats must be damn comfy.
    I am starting to think the war is over before a single battle was fought and won. Will trannies one day outnumber us? Will we, in our ever decreasing numbers have to hide in Sherwood Forest?
    Christ on a butty.

    1. As I used to say as a child “I am not playing unless I am Robin Hood!”…not because I knew I was transjenduh but because I fancied the little girl who played Maid Marian. Perhaps I should point out that we were only seven or eight!!

  15. That man is wearing a dress I wouldn’t put on my 3 year old daughter! Obviously he has psychological issues. Women fought hard to play fair in sports, now it’s being taken away. The hardest part is that WOMEN are helping them!

  16. I encounter the cheerleaders for the trans cult a lot— they have all these excuses for selling women out—like they personally know male to trans, so that makes everything they do ok. When I show photos of these guys in women’s sports, they just refuse to see this. They have the mantra trans women are women, they call themselves feminists, and they betray and undermine women’s sports—some of the easiest to see photos— the man doing the weightlifting, Fallox Fox, that horrifying 50 something man on the Washington state college women’s basketball team. But, hey they personally know a male to trans or two, so that makes all of this ok. These are women who claim to be long time feminists, it really is cult indoctrination out there and it is massive.

  17. (Gag). Haven’t we reached peak trans yet? How much longer will we born females be expected to put up with this transgender crap?

  18. Quoted by anon male from the Boston Herald: “That’s a misconception and a myth,” said Dr. Alex Keuroghlian, director of education and training programs at the Fenway Institute, a health and advocacy center for Boston’s LGBT community. “There’s no physiologic advantage to being assigned male at birth.”
    The statement might be technically true if doctors randomly assigned babies to the classes of male or female without regard to reproductive anatomy, but the trans crowd seems not to comprehend the reality of reproductive sex and human sexual dimorphism. I read a claim few weeks ago that reproductive systems coulndn’t be labeled male or female because the only organ with gender is the brain!
    I’ve also been running into more bizarre stuff than usual from TIMs talking who insist they have periods. One approved of body positive feminists trying to end period stigma, then added the usual male whataboutery: “but what about transwomen on HRT who have periods, complete with all symptoms but the bleeding? period activism based around bleeding erases us entirely . . .” This fuckwit seems to think that millennia of menstrual stigma have been based on cramps and cravings rather than on the fact that women BLEED.
    Some guy on a “lesbian” page whined about not being warned by his doctors that “trans girls get periods, too” and what agony he was in. When a woman questioned–tentatively, and with a great deal of deference–how that was possible without ovaries, he said that hormones were prompting the same muscle movement, even though it wasn’t needed. When she replied, “So it’s more like PMS than an actual period?” and expressed sympathy, he doubled down, insisting that it was more like the active stuff during a period and added that saying “it’s just pms” was “bioessentialist.”
    The woman apologized, explaining she meant it was more symptoms than actual bleeding, and another guy responded that it was everything but the blood–“It’s one small aspect missing.” She anwered with, “Um well bleeding definitely isn’t a ‘small aspect’ but I’m not denying your pain so it doesn’t matter.” This was followed by a bunch of TIMs demanding she be banned for this “triggering bullshit” and saying no self-respecting lesbian page would allow it. The forum eventually exploded with cries of “TERF! Ban her!” In the end she was banned for not apologizing after saying she wouldn’t be responding to those who swore at her and called her a TERF.
    What is with these batshit insane men thinking they have all the symptoms of a period but bleeding? How the hell would they know? And what do they suppose is actually cramping when they insist they have cramps just like any other woman? It’s as if they don’t even understand that a period is the shedding of the uterine lining, and cramps result from contractions of the uterus. I’ve seen a number of TIMs describing PMS-like syndromes (which might result from hormonal dosing) as a period, and even several who claim they get “morning sickness” for a week out of every month as part of their “period.” Pro tip, guys: Morning sickness is not a period symptom; it’s a symptom women can get when they MISS a period.
    Sorry for the rant, GM, but I’m beyond done with these creeps fetishizing female biology in some pomo version of couvade, while insisting women shut up about the most stigmatized aspects of that biology. Some days it seems they won’t be satisfied until they’ve taken everything–our athletic and educational opportunities, our private spaces, even our words.
    Thanks for all you do to fight back and provide a forum where we can encourage each other to keep fighting.

    1. You are welcome and I’ll never stop. These guys need to start respecting female reality, pronto. They won’t do it voluntarily.

    2. I saw that shitshow too and now all of these nutters are suddenly listing “periods” as one of the magical changes when they start hormones. You can watch the trends in action, and it’s equal parts disgusting and hilarious.
      Though maybe it’ll give everyone a short break from listening to them Gumb out about how soft their skin becomes.

    3. Just this week I read a claim by a TIM that he had “hot flashes” as a period symptom!
      They have cramps, morning sickness, AND hot flashes with their periods, so that proves they’re women, right?

    4. No way can these men have pms or periods. They don’t have a female reproductive system, which of course means no uterus, so just exactly were is the bleeding and cramping going to come from? These men will stop at nothing to fetishize everything that has to do with women.

  19. I don’t think any of them did better than 445th in the women’s division overall. I say “I don’t think” because I can’t find Taylor in the results.

    1. Just to be clear, Fisher did the best of these magazine dudes. The time that got him 445th in the women’s division would have gotten him ~3680th in the men’s division.

      1. And in terms of age grouping place, Fisher would have slipped from 401st to around the 2450s.
        OK I’m done! lol

    2. The cold, rainy weather and the headwind seem to have affected results, especially in the women’s race. Some people didn’t start, and some people dropped out with hypothermia, which probably weren’t the same group of people who might have dropped out an a warm day.
      What I find amazing is that Desiree Linden felt terrible throughout the race and chose to keep going mostly to help a friend stay with the lead pack. It’s a great metaphor for feminism–women win by helping each other!

  20. That’s utterly, completely absurd.
    Taken to it’s logical conclusion, society should just make sports completely co-ed, which we don’t do because of the physical and skeletal advantages Testosterone provides.
    This forces women to bear the cost of transitioning, and that’s unacceptable.

  21. Even winning a race as a feminist metaphor for women is incredible, thanks for sharing the results of the marathon and Linden’s explanation of how she felt and how she won.

  22. Stevie Romer is obviously an Autogynephile fetishists. No real female athlete would be taken seriously wearing sparkly boots or that ridiculous looking dress/apron. What a joke these guys are.

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