The ‘RadFem’ movement should be classified as a hate group(self.transgender)
submitted 10 hours ago* by groovemastergeneral
For the past couple of years, RadFems have lead the way in using the internet as tool to incite hatred against transgendered people.
Indeed, there are now dozens of RadFem websites devoted precisely to this purpose – with ‘RadicalHub’ and ‘GenderTredner’ arguably being the worst offenders.
As time passes, their rhetoric and activism are becoming increasing aggressive – with some of them even going so far as to ‘out’ transgendered people without their consent.
Disturbingly, some of the most prominent RadFems are even being given platforms to spread their transphobic bigotry in mainstream publications. Take for example, Julie Burchill’s recent Observer article.
Thus, I believe the time has come for us to persuade the Southern Poverty Law Center to recognise RadFems as the hate group they truly are.
Who’s with me?
More to the point, the hateful fervor on some radfem blogs definitely seems capable of inciting violence, so I believe they meet the definition of a hate group in every sense of the word..
However I agree that the TERFs, the “trans sceptical” types and whatever else is full of bigots. If it was just an ideological disagreement, they wouldn’t make so many attacks on trans women’s personal appearance. But people like Julie Burchill are motivated by hate.
LONG LIVE THE TRANS CABAL!
Is it the name? No offence intended, but I’ve come across a lot of folks who identify as being RadFem because they agree with the areas of RadFemism that overlap with 3rd wave feminism and they think the name sounds cool. But, unless you agree with the core RadFem dogma published by RadFem leaders over the past 40 years, you’re not a RadFem. Maybe you’re a militant 3rd waver, but unless you’re stuck on the fringe of 2nd wave feminism, you’re ideology doesn’t look anything like the RadFem ideological movement as pushed on their sites, conferences, meetings, literature, speeches and slogans.
It was the first time I had noticed this group as hateful, I thought radfems were the happy, openminded dreadlocked girls I’d meet at Zucotti park, not a bunch of hateful fundamentalists. I was shocked that so-called allies would be so cruel. I learned through this experience that wherever you go or whatever you do, there will always be people out looking to subjugate others. Many transpeople attacked me for being into regression, where other regressionists attacked me for being trans… See the futility of all this?
If I was a sad, empty person I’d say its human nature and can’t be avoided. But it clearly can, this board is full of people treating each other with respect, many feminists, trans or otherwise “enlightened” folks support all kinds of people and even ::gasp:: occasional act altruistically. Hateful people like these radfems don’t believe those kinds of people exist. Everyone’s a pervert and they’re all out to get them. It probably makes them feel better about themselves or deal with some sort of anger/trauma inside, kinda like why people watch My Strange Addiction, to boo and hiss at the freak and feel above someone.
I couldn’t bear to read this again, the comments are terrible, pure hate, they said things that I couldn’t believe how sick and graphic they were. I was devastated, I thought my transition was sexist and I actually believed them for a minute. Dark times, but I’ve learned from it and realize what their game is, and what a dirty game it is.
If you need an example of how bad they are, here’s this link. Really, really ugly stuff on there, so please tread lightly.
But reading those comments, not only are those people misinformed but they seem uneducated and way too obsessed. I just can’t understand why they let their hate rise so much. The core of feminism isn’t making women better than men, it’s about helping women and men (trans, cis, or ‘other’) to become equal… Those people are fucked up in the head.
I doubt they are all like that, and I certainly don’t doubt that a radfem or two has seen the way they treat transwomen and went OLLIES OUTIE but hey, at least they stick to their own corner of the internet… assholes.
I used to think it made sense,
- I’m a radical (favoring drastic political, economic, or social reform)
- I’m a feminist (advocating social, political, legal, and economic rights for women equal to those of men)
So I’m a radfem, right? I thought that label might have fit until finding these hate sites, now I’ve often (though not exclusively) found that label to mean radioactive feminist.
Thanks for the positive thoughts and for bringing this to the light OP, it’s the media they put out is absolutely hurtful, I’m sure i’m not the only one who’s been singled out and harassed (cyberbullied?) by them.
And what the heck does “mistrelizing” mean? I just don’t get these people. What’s so hard about live and let live?
For example, this guy and his parents I live with does this every chance he gets, to try to be right and always gives that look to others like they’re retarded, when he does absolutely nothing with his life, sits around wasting time just watching tv and playing games by himself.
Really makes me wish I had the money or know how to move somewhere else. These people hate people like me, and as such I can’t even start transitioning until I can be in a safer place.
Anyways, got off topic for a second so I’m sorry. I just wanted to say that it’s so terrible what those people did you a wonderful person like you, and I hope that things are much better for you now. <3
Many transpeople attacked me for being into regression, where other regressionists attacked me for being trans…
And this is ridiculous, too. I don’t even… why?
In recent surveys in the UK 50% of lesbian couples will be raped by their partner . Yet in heterosexual couples only 30% by the partner were women , 30% were male raped by the female partner the other 40% did not say (so it could have been a different family member or stranger) .
“This was a man, everyone recognized it’s a man, going into the women’s restroom. Now whether that person has good or ill intentions towards women, no one knows, but the fact of the matter is when you defy common sense and when it says ‘women’s fitting room’ and you allow people other than women in that fitting room, you’re just asking for trouble. This is just an absurd policy… [women] may be watched by a peeping tom or even worse, sexually assaulted or raped.”
For those calling out the MRM, I have a question. How should men organize to call attention to their own issues, such as disproportionate prison sentencing, biased custody and child support laws, and male rape erasure?
Some would say, “That’s patriarchy! They should be feminists!” Yet feminism is called feminism. It’s about women, regardless of claims to the contrary. Feminism has vocally opposed words like chairman and mailman, saying they are sexist terms, but keeps the gender-stratified name of its own movement. Why? Because that’s where the focus lies. And that’s fine. Fight for a cause you believe in. Fight against injustice against women. But don’t claim men never have any problems of their own, that’s disingenuous.
I support feminism, and I support the men’s rights movement. I’m genderqueer, what sense would it make to only want one gender’s inequalities addressed? I’ve been thrown out of two different women’s groups for not being a “real” woman. Nobody even protested. Some jeered at me. No men’s group has ever had a problem with me, or with cis women showing up. Once or twice, people have complained about a “tranny” or “freak” being there, and they’re told to pipe down and stop being assholes. This is in the American South, mind you. Do I say all feminist groups are bigoted hate groups because those two were made up of pricks? No. Similarly, I don’t excuse the behavior of those bigoted men, but I know it’s because they’re bigots, not because of their chosen social cause. Radfems, on the other hand, have distinguished themselves as a distinct subset of feminism by organizing and self-identifying around certain tenets that go outside the bounds of gender equality, namely vitriolic opposition to anyone other than cis females.
I know a man who was being regularly beaten by his girlfriend. He wouldn’t defend himself, even to push her away, because, well, “you don’t hit women.” He should have just left, but he didn’t. Stupid him. One day, he had enough and called the cops. When they got there, the cops arrested him. He was bleeding, she was untouched, and they arrested him. They left her in the house, because she said she lived there. She didn’t. The cops just took her word for it and wouldn’t let him protect his things. She stole a bunch of his stuff, wrecked the place, and even pressed charges against him for battery. When he tried to press criminal charge, the DA declined. He couldn’t afford a lawyer for a civil suit. He got off with just anger management courses only because she didn’t show up to court. He’s celibate now, and in therapy because he’s terrified of women. Terrified. He can’t be alone in the room with one, even with me, if I’m presenting female at the time. When I asked why he was uncomfortable around me (expecting it was cause I was trans) he nearly had a panic attack, afraid I would get him in trouble with someone. With whom, I don’t know.
Though an extreme example, such procedures are institutionalized in many places. Even if it were a one-off case of people abusing their power (which it wasn’t, the Sheriff’s policy says the man is always taken away and the children are always left with the woman. There were no children in this case, however.), if he were a woman, he could have gone to a shelter. He could have gotten a pro bono lawyer from the local battered women’s center. He could have raised a hue and cry in the media. But as a man, there was nothing. No organization. These women’s support agencies are crucial to the fight for gender equality, but they won’t help him, despite claiming to be for equality. What feminist organization would dare defend a man against a woman? So men try to organize their own movements to fight these injustices. Then they’re labeled as misogynists and rapists. Yet when a feminist spews hate about men (or trans people, as we can see), they are lauded by their peers, rather than censured for it.
Patriarchy isn’t the problem, and it never was. It’s kyriarchy. It’s not “men” fighting for inequality. It’s a group of very powerful men fighting for themselves. Their goal is just to keep anyone from gaining more power, including less privileged men, because they want it for themselves. It’s the status quo being rigidly enforced by wealthy, powerful old men who simply cannot abide the world being anything other than they way they want it. Painting an entire gender with their brush only distracts people from the class-based source of the injustice. Gender equality should be the goal, but the politics of the gender equality movement has been to push women on top for so long, its forgotten about the root of the problem, and it doesn’t seem to care either.
When someone points at someone’s gender as a reason to make a judgement about them, that’s wrong. It’s wrong when men say it about women, it’s wrong when women say it about men, it’s wrong when cis people say it about trans people, and it’s wrong when trans people say it about cis people. If a person is a shitty human being, it’s because they’re a shitty human being. Genitals and gender don’t enter into it.
The Men’s Rights Movement has a problem in its disruptive, hate-driven members. A serious one. It isn’t particularly well-organized of a movement, so it’s sort of fumbling around blindly trying to do something about it. It might not work, because anybody trying to step up to do something about those people is lumped in with them and lambasted. That would be tragic, because it would just send a message to men that nobody will, and nobody can help them. In contrast, the disruptive, hate-driven members of the feminist movement are in organized positions of power, and feminism in general is doing nothing to curtail their excesses, or even to acknowledge them as a problem.
When i left that religion it was because I knew my life choices were not compatible with it , the last words said to me by one of the pastors was “wish you well” and shook my hand . Even though my life was add odds with his beliefs he showed me respect and wished me well . I can’t ever see a Rad Fem ever doing the same .
Coming from a conservative Christian background I’m sickened by the intolerance and segregation found in such “liberal” groups , the rank stench of hypocrisy wafts through these groups .
I love and support my girl friend and that is important to me . I view her as the most precious thing in my life . She asks if her being trans bothers me ; amazingly I never even think about it . She is just my lisa.
Having said that, I think radical feminism attracts women who are transphobic, especially towards trans women, for a variety reasons. First of all, I have read that transphobia towards trans women is more common among the lesbian community than the rest of the queer community, and many radical feminists are lesbian women. Also, misandry seems to be more common among radical feminists, and leads to hatred of trans women because of their refusal to recognize our gender.
Secondly, radical feminism at its core reinforces the beliefs of people who already hate trans women. Radical feminism sees the discrimination against women and enforced gender roles and decides that gender is the problem. For radical feminists, the whole concept of gender is a tool of the patriarchy to oppress women, and the way to have equality is to eliminate gender. In my opinion, gender seems less the problem than, you know, discrimination and enforced gender roles. This goal of eliminating gender leads to some radical feminist seeing trans women as agents for patriarchy because of the concept of gender identity, and because they see the stereotype of trans woman as feminine and attracted to men as reinforcing gender-normativity. Never mind that most cis women are gender-normative, to them it’s only trans woman who are the problem.
I think the major problem is radical feminist literature is at best cissexist and usually outright transphobic. So the whole foundation of radical feminism leads people to cissexist and transphobic beliefs, especially when they are ignorant towards trans issues.
Also, please give an example of 3 RadFem leaders who aren’t anti-trans. And, please give me an example of where RadFems organized to support trans equality legislation.
I get that there are people who call themselves RadFem (because they think it sounds cool) without really knowing that the core ideologies of the RadFem movement over the past 40 years has been explicitly anti-trans. However, that doesn’t change the fact that the movement is explicitly anti-trans. That’s like claiming that the KKK isn’t racistbecause of this.
Some of the things I took away from a quick glance over this breeding ground of discrimination were:
- BDSM exists purely as a one way street for male doms and female subs, and never vica versa.
- Transsexual people are, I quote, erasing female reality by identifying themselves as a different gender other than the one they were born as
- Porn stars are all victims. Even the filthy rich, long-time performing ones like Sasha Grey and Jenna Haze. ‘Pornography is the act of making hate to women’s bodies.’
- Porn stars have a shelf life. Forget MILFs, if you’re over 21 you’re too old. All of them too old: Emma Starr, Monique Fuentas, Lisa Starr, Nina Hartley.. wait what?
This takes the cake though: taken directly from their declaration on http://radicalhub.com/about
- We are female-identified, women-born women and are collectively anti-pornography, anti-prostitution, *trans-critical*, and PIV-critical. Many of us have specialized interests as well, such as motherhood, post-modernism and what it did to feminism, the harms of penis-in-vagina sex (PIV), the “transexual/transgender” movement, femininity, and the “sex industry. Please read the comments policy; the discussions on this blog are reserved for female-born women only.”
For real? What the fuck is wrong with these women. Their views don’t help feminism in any way. If you act like a cunt people will associate your cause with being a cunt. They aren’t flying the banner of a just cause (to which all women anatomically or not should be entitled to benefit from) they are marring it.
The guy in the comments just says the whole feminist movement is like that,and saying you are a non radical feminist equals saying you are a good nazi.
These radical feminists would like to believe that our dysphoria is constructed out of some selfish, ‘rape-culture based’ desire to do…what? According to them, to be better than women. Apparently, from what else I’ve been reading on RadicalHub, the radfems are arguing that, since we were ‘never women in the first place,’ we have no right to determine what a women is, even if we identify as such. Apparently, we’re propagators of rape-culture and patriarchy, motivated by male-dominance to do…what? I guess to tear down the whole image of exactly what a woman is. Or some bullshit.
This RadicalHub website is a fountain of hatred and lies towards trans* folk and I am very sorry for the human race that it exists.
Some want to call these folks TERFs, but that’s BS. It’s not having the courage to call a spade a spade because it might offend someone who calls themselves a RadFem (because they think it sound all cool and militant) without knowing the RadFem movement’s stated aims and goals – which ARE, in fact, explicitly anti-trans. The “don’t paint everyone with a broad brush” argument is BS.
RadFems killed Filisa Vistima. RadFems are where most of the anti-trans memes came from that still haunt the trans community. RadFems were the first (in the 1970s) to advocate for (to TWO US administrations, no less) a national program of forced reparitive “therapy” for all trans folk. They worked with a racist anti-feminist lawmaker to ensure trans folk’s access to health care was cut off (don’t have health care, thank a RadFem. At one time ALL your trans care was covered). They are the folks who began to push to throw trans folk under the bus as the queer community marched forward with the push for equality. They are the ones who began a national program of outing of trans folk (this went on for years) for the explicit goal of ruining their ability to get a job.
Anyone claiming that RadFems aren’t a hate group is simply uninformed or willfully obtuse.
Edit: Did some googling, so much arrogance in one place! Not even on trans issues, they seem to think they are right in every way and that if you disagree you are part of the ‘machine’.
You might be a Christian. The Klan is an explicitly Christian movement. You might both agree that Jesus is awesome, but that doesn’t mean that you endorse the core goals and values of the Klan, right? Similarly, you might think the patriarchy sucks. You might agree with the RadFem movement that the patriarchy sucks. But, I’m guessing that you don’t agree with the RadFem movement’s states goals and values with regard to trans folk.
The Klan movement is racist in the same way that the RadFem movement is anti-trans. Of course there are exceptions to this rule, but those exceptions don’t wipe away decades of a movement’s explicitly stated aims and goals.
Simply pretending that point #3 isn’t an integral part of her message is like a Christian picking and choosing dogma that fits their personal narrative. She sees transsexuals as poor saps – pawns of the patriarchy, because nobody has a subjective and innate sense of their own physical sex… nah, it’s all just cultural. Transsexuals change their sex cus’ society fucked them up. That very dogma lies at the heart of the very worst of what RadFemism has to offer.
She’s no more helpful than John Money. Both advocate sex changes for the same reason and both of their dogmas have ruined lives.
*— it seems like hating on trans people is pretty much what it’s all about.
*(which to reddit represents all radical feminists everywhere) (which they do because reddit likes easy and popular targets) (which they have become only because of /r/mensrights and their attempts to dox them) (and anytime reddit doxxes somebody that’s the goto poster child of the alleged group) (I mean seriously reddit, do you know any other self-declared radfems at all? these threads might be more productive if you could actually name new names)
b.) This movement has dogma. This dogma comes from the writings of their leaders. These writings are explicitly anti-trans and informs a dogma which seeks to achieve a world in which there are no trans people in it. To fail to notice this fact is, IMHO, another example of being willfully obtuse.
Question: Do you think that the infamous radicalhub pushes an ideology that hasn’t been a defining part of radical feminism over the past 40 years? If so, please provide specific examples of radical feminism over the past 40 years that stands in stark contradiction to the ideology pushed on radicalhub.